August 7th 2018

[Foo]

Consider that when we say "Black Culture" we are talking about Americans of African descent who had family that endured slavery or at least segregation.

All over the world, "Black Culture" differs from the American version of it. Just like a Brit would identify with Benny Hill and not Duck Dynasty.

I agree. I'm specifically referring to African-Americans here. I guess I could have clarified, but I figured it was understood. My bad.

Well, it does require clarity. I have good friends from India who are treated like shit in India because they are black. They share zero in common with black Americans. My fiancee is a light skinned Venezuelan. She shares little in common with a Mexican-American even though they may be categorized the same way.

I guess I am saying it is different. For whatever reason we are cool with everyone celebrating their identity, unless they are white Americans, then they are awful.

What is white American identity?

It is regional. Rocky is a Philly/Jersey/New York Italian-American Stereotype, The Departed is full of Boston Stereotypes, the Dukes of Hazzard is a Southern Sterotype. Roseanne, All in The Family, Maried with Children depict suburban white American stereotypes.

So Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Southerners usually of French descent, Scots-Irish in the Appalachian region, also German and Scandinavian Americans in the Midwest...yes, all of these groups are Caucasian but they don't fall under any single umbrella. All of these groups have had unique experiences in America. Some are more dedicated to carrying on their "old country" traditions than others. They're connected in the same ways all Americans are culturally, race and background notwithstanding.

Blacks are like 12% of the population and most have a similar family history in that it began by an not so distant ancestor being brought to the south as a slave. I get that. I am just explaining why white culture is more fragmented. The Italian-American family with Philly roots is a lot different than a family who settled in Texas or moved to California.

Not arguing with you, just stating why "white culture" is not a thing like black culture is.

Right on all counts.

Well, you and Jason have repeatedly brought up "white culture" and "white identity" in this thread as if it can be used as the flip side of the "black culture" coin. You'd agree then that it clearly can't.

Would not argue that it is not different. Would argue that it is equally stupid.

It is equally as nauseating to hear some white Philly "Cuz" speaking like an ignorant fool as it is to hear a black person trying to "Axe a question".

[Jmac Attack]

Let's talk about nothing but sports in the chat! Eventually, we take that shit to the right places.

[Headhunter]

Consider that when we say "Black Culture" we are talking about Americans of African descent who had family that endured slavery or at least segregation.

All over the world, "Black Culture" differs from the American version of it. Just like a Brit would identify with Benny Hill and not Duck Dynasty.

I agree. I'm specifically referring to African-Americans here. I guess I could have clarified, but I figured it was understood. My bad.

Well, it does require clarity. I have good friends from India who are treated like shit in India because they are black. They share zero in common with black Americans. My fiancee is a light skinned Venezuelan. She shares little in common with a Mexican-American even though they may be categorized the same way.

I guess I am saying it is different. For whatever reason we are cool with everyone celebrating their identity, unless they are white Americans, then they are awful.

What is white American identity?

It is regional. Rocky is a Philly/Jersey/New York Italian-American Stereotype, The Departed is full of Boston Stereotypes, the Dukes of Hazzard is a Southern Sterotype. Roseanne, All in The Family, Maried with Children depict suburban white American stereotypes.

So Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Southerners usually of French descent, Scots-Irish in the Appalachian region, also German and Scandinavian Americans in the Midwest...yes, all of these groups are Caucasian but they don't fall under any single umbrella. All of these groups have had unique experiences in America. Some are more dedicated to carrying on their "old country" traditions than others. They're connected in the same ways all Americans are culturally, race and background notwithstanding.

Blacks are like 12% of the population and most have a similar family history in that it began by an not so distant ancestor being brought to the south as a slave. I get that. I am just explaining why white culture is more fragmented. The Italian-American family with Philly roots is a lot different than a family who settled in Texas or moved to California.

Not arguing with you, just stating why "white culture" is not a thing like black culture is.

Right on all counts.

Well, you and Jason have repeatedly brought up "white culture" and "white identity" in this thread as if it can be used as the flip side of the "black culture" coin. You'd agree then that it clearly can't.

Would not argue that it is not different. Would argue that it is equally stupid.

It is equally as nauseating to hear some white Philly "Cuz" speaking like an ignorant fool as it is to hear a black person trying to "Axe a question".

So you make the distinction, find the distinction relevant...but then arbitrarily declare the distinction unimportant when it's time to compare? That makes no sense.

You can find a double standard in anything if you eliminate the nuances whenever convenient.

[Foo]

Let's talk about nothing but sports in the chat! Eventually, we take that shit to the right places.

JMac, have you been to your boy, Timothy Moore's weiner cart?

[Foo]

Consider that when we say "Black Culture" we are talking about Americans of African descent who had family that endured slavery or at least segregation.

All over the world, "Black Culture" differs from the American version of it. Just like a Brit would identify with Benny Hill and not Duck Dynasty.

I agree. I'm specifically referring to African-Americans here. I guess I could have clarified, but I figured it was understood. My bad.

Well, it does require clarity. I have good friends from India who are treated like shit in India because they are black. They share zero in common with black Americans. My fiancee is a light skinned Venezuelan. She shares little in common with a Mexican-American even though they may be categorized the same way.

I guess I am saying it is different. For whatever reason we are cool with everyone celebrating their identity, unless they are white Americans, then they are awful.

What is white American identity?

It is regional. Rocky is a Philly/Jersey/New York Italian-American Stereotype, The Departed is full of Boston Stereotypes, the Dukes of Hazzard is a Southern Sterotype. Roseanne, All in The Family, Maried with Children depict suburban white American stereotypes.

So Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Southerners usually of French descent, Scots-Irish in the Appalachian region, also German and Scandinavian Americans in the Midwest...yes, all of these groups are Caucasian but they don't fall under any single umbrella. All of these groups have had unique experiences in America. Some are more dedicated to carrying on their "old country" traditions than others. They're connected in the same ways all Americans are culturally, race and background notwithstanding.

Blacks are like 12% of the population and most have a similar family history in that it began by an not so distant ancestor being brought to the south as a slave. I get that. I am just explaining why white culture is more fragmented. The Italian-American family with Philly roots is a lot different than a family who settled in Texas or moved to California.

Not arguing with you, just stating why "white culture" is not a thing like black culture is.

Right on all counts.

Well, you and Jason have repeatedly brought up "white culture" and "white identity" in this thread as if it can be used as the flip side of the "black culture" coin. You'd agree then that it clearly can't.

Would not argue that it is not different. Would argue that it is equally stupid.

It is equally as nauseating to hear some white Philly "Cuz" speaking like an ignorant fool as it is to hear a black person trying to "Axe a question".

So you make the distinction, find the distinction relevant...but then arbitrarily declare the distinction unimportant when it's time to compare? That makes no sense.

You can find a double standard in anything if you eliminate the nuances whenever convenient.

I am a selfish asshole. In the end, the nuances of how they got that way doesn't matter as much as my current state of tolerating them.

Oh, you'r fucked in the head because your daddy left you and your mom was a crackhead? That's nice, how about crawling back into your hole and staying away from me.

[Jmac Attack]

Let's talk about nothing but sports in the chat! Eventually, we take that shit to the right places.

JMac, have you been to your boy, Timothy Moore's weiner cart?

Not yet lol. Haven't been to Athens, Ohio in a minute.

[Foo]

Let's talk about nothing but sports in the chat! Eventually, we take that shit to the right places.

JMac, have you been to your boy, Timothy Moore's weiner cart?

Not yet lol. Haven't been to Athens, Ohio in a minute.

When you go tell me if it is professional.

[Headhunter]

Consider that when we say "Black Culture" we are talking about Americans of African descent who had family that endured slavery or at least segregation.

All over the world, "Black Culture" differs from the American version of it. Just like a Brit would identify with Benny Hill and not Duck Dynasty.

I agree. I'm specifically referring to African-Americans here. I guess I could have clarified, but I figured it was understood. My bad.

Well, it does require clarity. I have good friends from India who are treated like shit in India because they are black. They share zero in common with black Americans. My fiancee is a light skinned Venezuelan. She shares little in common with a Mexican-American even though they may be categorized the same way.

I guess I am saying it is different. For whatever reason we are cool with everyone celebrating their identity, unless they are white Americans, then they are awful.

What is white American identity?

It is regional. Rocky is a Philly/Jersey/New York Italian-American Stereotype, The Departed is full of Boston Stereotypes, the Dukes of Hazzard is a Southern Sterotype. Roseanne, All in The Family, Maried with Children depict suburban white American stereotypes.

So Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, Southerners usually of French descent, Scots-Irish in the Appalachian region, also German and Scandinavian Americans in the Midwest...yes, all of these groups are Caucasian but they don't fall under any single umbrella. All of these groups have had unique experiences in America. Some are more dedicated to carrying on their "old country" traditions than others. They're connected in the same ways all Americans are culturally, race and background notwithstanding.

Blacks are like 12% of the population and most have a similar family history in that it began by an not so distant ancestor being brought to the south as a slave. I get that. I am just explaining why white culture is more fragmented. The Italian-American family with Philly roots is a lot different than a family who settled in Texas or moved to California.

Not arguing with you, just stating why "white culture" is not a thing like black culture is.

Right on all counts.

Well, you and Jason have repeatedly brought up "white culture" and "white identity" in this thread as if it can be used as the flip side of the "black culture" coin. You'd agree then that it clearly can't.

Would not argue that it is not different. Would argue that it is equally stupid.

It is equally as nauseating to hear some white Philly "Cuz" speaking like an ignorant fool as it is to hear a black person trying to "Axe a question".

So you make the distinction, find the distinction relevant...but then arbitrarily declare the distinction unimportant when it's time to compare? That makes no sense.

You can find a double standard in anything if you eliminate the nuances whenever convenient.

I am a selfish asshole. In the end, the nuances of how they got that way doesn't matter as much as my current state of tolerating them.

Oh, you'r fucked in the head because your daddy left you and your mom was a crackhead? That's nice, how about crawling back into your hole and staying away from me.

You do you. But you shouldn't find it crazy that other people might take these distinctions into account and not see the double standards you're seeing because of that.

[Jmac Attack]

Let's talk about nothing but sports in the chat! Eventually, we take that shit to the right places.

JMac, have you been to your boy, Timothy Moore's weiner cart?

Not yet lol. Haven't been to Athens, Ohio in a minute.

When you go tell me if it is professional.

Will do. My band is supposed to go down there in a couple of weeks to promote shows. I'll be sure to check it out.

[Jason]

Asian Americans have a lower incarceration rate than white people in America. So what is distinctively white about "staying out of prison"?

Total guess, but I'd wager Japan has a higher incarceration of Japanese people than they do caucasians...

The rate, not the total number. Do you understand how an incarceration rate is calculated?

Plug "rate" into my post.

Why would I give you that benefit? It would change the meaning, as it's obvious you were referring to a total sum number and not the incarceration rate. Your point was that there are significantly more white people than Asians in the U.S., so there are more white people in jail. What you failed to understand is I was looking at the percentage of white vs. Asian citizens in jail. There's no need to retroactively switch your argument, you just didn't understand what I meant by incarceration rates. It's fine.

I give you my word, I meant incarceration rate.

So what was your point with the Japanese example? Because it really only made sense in the original sum total context.

You brought up asian incarceration in America for some bizarre reason.

[showa58taro]

Just needs to be obese with blue hair and the character will be complete.

Huh? They are really slim. I don’t get it.

[Jason]

Just needs to be obese with blue hair and the character will be complete.

Huh? They are really slim. I don’t get it.

Before Wonder Woman came out, Gal Gadot received a bunch of criticism for being on a billboard dressed as Wonder Woman advertising protein bars and weight loss regimens. She was criticized immensely for "fat-shaming".

[showa58taro]

Just needs to be obese with blue hair and the character will be complete.

Huh? They are really slim. I don’t get it.

Before Wonder Woman came out, Gal Gadot received a bunch of criticism for being on a billboard dressed as Wonder Woman advertising protein bars and weight loss regimens. She was criticized immensely for "fat-shaming".

I thought your comment related to Ruby Rose being cast. They are incredibly slim.

[Headhunter]

Asian Americans have a lower incarceration rate than white people in America. So what is distinctively white about "staying out of prison"?

Total guess, but I'd wager Japan has a higher incarceration of Japanese people than they do caucasians...

The rate, not the total number. Do you understand how an incarceration rate is calculated?

Plug "rate" into my post.

Why would I give you that benefit? It would change the meaning, as it's obvious you were referring to a total sum number and not the incarceration rate. Your point was that there are significantly more white people than Asians in the U.S., so there are more white people in jail. What you failed to understand is I was looking at the percentage of white vs. Asian citizens in jail. There's no need to retroactively switch your argument, you just didn't understand what I meant by incarceration rates. It's fine.

I give you my word, I meant incarceration rate.

So what was your point with the Japanese example? Because it really only made sense in the original sum total context.

You brought up asian incarceration in America for some bizarre reason.

For some bizarre reason? There's no need to be confused and no reason to speculate, because the purpose of that point is clearly made in the first post of this very quote tree. If you can't see it, it's because you listed "staying out of prison" as a distinctive feature of "white culture". You're probably just being disingenuous unless you're actually THAT incapable of keeping up with your own nonsense. In which case I suggest just reading the posts, that will help.

[Jason]

My view of white culture is that it exists in the form of behavior, but does not exist through camaraderie based on skin tone like pretty much every other race.