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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 02:20 pm

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I think Headward made great points about the charity itself and the opposition to Kony.  That is my only point.
Well then, since he's flown the coop and you are also standing behind that statement, perhaps you can substantiate his claims?


Only 30% of the money raised by this charity goes to Africa.  It is no secret that the Ugandan government you would be supporting by squashing this rebellion is horrible itself.

Plus, I stand by my personal policy of not jumping on bandwagons because of propaganda.

That's not substantiating, that's repeating.


Look it up for yourself.

The three men in charge of the charity also pay themselves far more than one would expect, considering the relative small size of it.



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Did some light reading on em. Definitely people unhappy with them and potential shady-ness going on.



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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 06:32 pm

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Foo wrote:
KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
I think Headward made great points about the charity itself and the opposition to Kony.  That is my only point.
Well then, since he's flown the coop and you are also standing behind that statement, perhaps you can substantiate his claims?


Only 30% of the money raised by this charity goes to Africa.  It is no secret that the Ugandan government you would be supporting by squashing this rebellion is horrible itself.

Plus, I stand by my personal policy of not jumping on bandwagons because of propaganda.

That's not substantiating, that's repeating.


Look it up for yourself.

The three men in charge of the charity also pay themselves far more than one would expect, considering the relative small size of it.

No, that's not how it works. It's not my job to look it up. When you make an allegation, it's your job to present the evidence that forms your opinion, or else your opinion is nothing more than conjecture. I don't need to prove you wrong, you need to prove yourself right. So far, no one has presented any concrete evidence that justifies either of you slamming this organization.



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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 06:58 pm

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Not taking a side. But here is some sort of print evidence of people's concerns:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/311401/20120308/donate-kony-2012-invisible-children-avoid-problem.htm



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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 07:03 pm

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The article makes me a little dis-heartened because I have been supporting this charity since I was in high school.



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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 07:10 pm

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/invisible-childrens-stop-kony-campaign/2012/03/07/gIQA7B31wR_blog.html?wprss=blogpost

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12429



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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 09:47 pm

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KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
I think Headward made great points about the charity itself and the opposition to Kony.  That is my only point.
Well then, since he's flown the coop and you are also standing behind that statement, perhaps you can substantiate his claims?


Only 30% of the money raised by this charity goes to Africa.  It is no secret that the Ugandan government you would be supporting by squashing this rebellion is horrible itself.

Plus, I stand by my personal policy of not jumping on bandwagons because of propaganda.

That's not substantiating, that's repeating.


Look it up for yourself.

The three men in charge of the charity also pay themselves far more than one would expect, considering the relative small size of it.

No, that's not how it works. It's not my job to look it up. When you make an allegation, it's your job to present the evidence that forms your opinion, or else your opinion is nothing more than conjecture. I don't need to prove you wrong, you need to prove yourself right. So far, no one has presented any concrete evidence that justifies either of you slamming this organization.

My default is to be skeptical.  I am not the one trying to spread their gospel, without doing any research.



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 Posted: Thu Mar 8th, 2012 11:52 pm

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KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
I think Headward made great points about the charity itself and the opposition to Kony.  That is my only point.
Well then, since he's flown the coop and you are also standing behind that statement, perhaps you can substantiate his claims?


Only 30% of the money raised by this charity goes to Africa.  It is no secret that the Ugandan government you would be supporting by squashing this rebellion is horrible itself.

Plus, I stand by my personal policy of not jumping on bandwagons because of propaganda.

That's not substantiating, that's repeating.


Look it up for yourself.

The three men in charge of the charity also pay themselves far more than one would expect, considering the relative small size of it.

No, that's not how it works. It's not my job to look it up. When you make an allegation, it's your job to present the evidence that forms your opinion, or else your opinion is nothing more than conjecture. I don't need to prove you wrong, you need to prove yourself right. So far, no one has presented any concrete evidence that justifies either of you slamming this organization.

My default is to be skeptical.  I am not the one trying to spread their gospel, without doing any research.

Like I explained, that's not how it works. If you're going to talk shit, have the proof to back it up, or else your words are meaningless.



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 Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2012 01:15 am

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Like I explained, that's not how it works. If you're going to talk shit, have the proof to back it up, or else your words are meaningless.


That is not how what works?  I am sharing my opinion.  You can do what you like.  I would encourage anyone to do some research into a charity, other than simply watching that charity's own propaganda, before throwing their support behind it.

If you wish to support it, more power to you.  Based on watching that video, the cause itself appears to be noble.  It is heartbreaking.  I just hope the end result of supporting this particular charity has the intended consequence.



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 Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2012 02:05 am

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Like I explained, that's not how it works. If you're going to talk shit, have the proof to back it up, or else your words are meaningless.


That is not how what works?  I am sharing my opinion.  You can do what you like.  I would encourage anyone to do some research into a charity, other than simply watching that charity's own propaganda, before throwing their support behind it.

If you wish to support it, more power to you.  Based on watching that video, the cause itself appears to be noble.  It is heartbreaking.  I just hope the end result of supporting this particular charity has the intended consequence.

You keep telling me that I can do what I like, as if I've accused you of trying to stop me. Like I said before, I never said that, or insinuated that, so those comments are totally out of place. You are not just "sharing your opinion", you are making allegations. Allegations that have yet to be substantiated. Sorry, you're not going to "wear me down with nonsense" on this one.



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More importantly, three or four dollars isn't "throwing your money away." Someone is very greedy and watches every single cent he has.:p



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KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
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Like I explained, that's not how it works. If you're going to talk shit, have the proof to back it up, or else your words are meaningless.


That is not how what works?  I am sharing my opinion.  You can do what you like.  I would encourage anyone to do some research into a charity, other than simply watching that charity's own propaganda, before throwing their support behind it.

If you wish to support it, more power to you.  Based on watching that video, the cause itself appears to be noble.  It is heartbreaking.  I just hope the end result of supporting this particular charity has the intended consequence.

You keep telling me that I can do what I like, as if I've accused you of trying to stop me. Like I said before, I never said that, or insinuated that, so those comments are totally out of place. You are not just "sharing your opinion", you are making allegations. Allegations that have yet to be substantiated. Sorry, you're not going to "wear me down with nonsense" on this one.


I am not trying to wear you out.  Are you able to use google?  Look for criticisms for youself and then decide.  Whatever source I provide will likely not be good enough.

Or, feel free to throw you support behind them without doing research.  It is your time/money.  I am fine either way.



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"They're ripping you off, Kenny!"



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 Posted: Fri Mar 9th, 2012 02:21 am

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KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
KennyThaKilla wrote:
Like I explained, that's not how it works. If you're going to talk shit, have the proof to back it up, or else your words are meaningless.


That is not how what works?  I am sharing my opinion.  You can do what you like.  I would encourage anyone to do some research into a charity, other than simply watching that charity's own propaganda, before throwing their support behind it.

If you wish to support it, more power to you.  Based on watching that video, the cause itself appears to be noble.  It is heartbreaking.  I just hope the end result of supporting this particular charity has the intended consequence.

You keep telling me that I can do what I like, as if I've accused you of trying to stop me. Like I said before, I never said that, or insinuated that, so those comments are totally out of place. You are not just "sharing your opinion", you are making allegations. Allegations that have yet to be substantiated. Sorry, you're not going to "wear me down with nonsense" on this one.


I am not trying to wear you out.  Are you able to use google?  Look for criticisms for youself and then decide.  Whatever source I provide will likely not be good enough.

Or, feel free to throw you support behind them without doing research.  It is your time/money.  I am fine either way.

Seriously? Am I able to use google? After all this, you still believe I haven't checked them out? Of course you don't, but that won't stop you from throwing condescending remarks my way. It was a pleasure talking to you, Foo. As always. :quoi



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Seriously? Am I able to use google? After all this, you still believe I haven't checked them out? Of course you don't, but that won't stop you from throwing condescending remarks my way. It was a pleasure talking to you, Foo. As always. :quoi


If you are comfortable spending your time/money on them, I am comfortable with you spending your time/money on them.  :thumb

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Seriously? Am I able to use google? After all this, you still believe I haven't checked them out? Of course you don't, but that won't stop you from throwing condescending remarks my way. It was a pleasure talking to you, Foo. As always. :quoi


If you are comfortable spending your time/money on them, I am comfortable with you spending your time/money on them.  :thumb

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well thsi thread went south real quick. :shame

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Foo wrote: KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
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I think Headward made great points about the charity itself and the opposition to Kony.  That is my only point.
Well then, since he's flown the coop and you are also standing behind that statement, perhaps you can substantiate his claims?


Only 30% of the money raised by this charity goes to Africa.  It is no secret that the Ugandan government you would be supporting by squashing this rebellion is horrible itself.

Plus, I stand by my personal policy of not jumping on bandwagons because of propaganda.

That's not substantiating, that's repeating.


Look it up for yourself.

The three men in charge of the charity also pay themselves far more than one would expect, considering the relative small size of it.

No, that's not how it works. It's not my job to look it up. When you make an allegation, it's your job to present the evidence that forms your opinion, or else your opinion is nothing more than conjecture. I don't need to prove you wrong, you need to prove yourself right. So far, no one has presented any concrete evidence that justifies either of you slamming this organization.

My default is to be skeptical.  I am not the one trying to spread their gospel, without doing any research.

Nothing wrong with being skeptical. But do you think that these people would go out of their way to make this news? Why then?

(I already know the answer, but.....thrill me, lol)

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Favorite Kony memes, anyone?

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J-Mac wrote: Foo wrote: KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
KennyThaKilla wrote: Foo wrote:
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I think Headward made great points about the charity itself and the opposition to Kony.  That is my only point.
Well then, since he's flown the coop and you are also standing behind that statement, perhaps you can substantiate his claims?


Only 30% of the money raised by this charity goes to Africa.  It is no secret that the Ugandan government you would be supporting by squashing this rebellion is horrible itself.

Plus, I stand by my personal policy of not jumping on bandwagons because of propaganda.

That's not substantiating, that's repeating.


Look it up for yourself.

The three men in charge of the charity also pay themselves far more than one would expect, considering the relative small size of it.

No, that's not how it works. It's not my job to look it up. When you make an allegation, it's your job to present the evidence that forms your opinion, or else your opinion is nothing more than conjecture. I don't need to prove you wrong, you need to prove yourself right. So far, no one has presented any concrete evidence that justifies either of you slamming this organization.

My default is to be skeptical.  I am not the one trying to spread their gospel, without doing any research.

Nothing wrong with being skeptical. But do you think that these people would go out of their way to make this news? Why then?

(I already know the answer, but.....thrill me, lol)


Perhaps the better question is,"why are these people in the charity business?".  The proportions of how the money is used is really out of whack for a small charity.  In particular, they are not only stating they draw really nice salaries while little goes to the end cause, but they are not allowing transparency to see the entire picture.

 



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