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 Posted: Mon Jan 2nd, 2012 09:28 pm

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I like Fish, he's never been a flashy player or a superstar, and it's true what he does best is in the leader role, the things below the rim. But it is true that he can't keep up with the fiery young point guards anymore. I see the Lakes shipping him off to a non-contender sometime soon, especially since he is the bitching point for most fans.
Has he lost a step? Sure, who wouldn't at 37? Does he make up for it in other areas? Of course... he wouldn't be on the team if he didn't. So far in this season, he's taking just as many charges in years past. Haven't heard any "real" fans bitching about him.

What is a "real fan"? Fans can't recognize their player's deficiencies? Sorry, Fish can't play anymore. I don't care how many ins and outs he knows, he can teach those from the bench.

The stats don't back up your assertions.

Stats don't reflect defense.

They don't need to... the charges he racks up speak for themselves. If Fisher was getting burnt by everybody, they'd be talking about it on tv when it happens. Not a peep. You're trying to make him seem like some broke down old man, which isn't the case.

Of course they don't talk about it on TV. You rarely hear a player's deficiencies highlighted on TV. That time is reserved for hyping up the guys making the plays.

This is the kind of defense you see from Fisher now. He is just too slow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhsnS-XDVAA

Broke down old man is a very good description.


Yeah, quite the broke down old man, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lde0RIdBY

Indeed...

LMAO!

Trying to pick up tricks from the kids that burn him every night.

Cherry picking vids which can be countered with other non-relevant vids is completely expected. Have fun with that.

Just giving an example of that quality Fish defense you're hyping up. At least he's got those ins and outs down.

No, that's just an example of the kind of thing that happens to everybody in the NBA. Like I said, completely irrelevant.

I showed an example of what young point guards do to him. He can't hang with them. That is obviously an extreme example, but that is what you can expect from Fish on D. He's still a smart player, but he's not athletic enough to provide anything of value.

And again, that's just your opinion.



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 Posted: Mon Jan 2nd, 2012 09:29 pm

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KennyThaKilla wrote:
Reign in Blood wrote:
I like Fish, he's never been a flashy player or a superstar, and it's true what he does best is in the leader role, the things below the rim. But it is true that he can't keep up with the fiery young point guards anymore. I see the Lakes shipping him off to a non-contender sometime soon, especially since he is the bitching point for most fans.
Has he lost a step? Sure, who wouldn't at 37? Does he make up for it in other areas? Of course... he wouldn't be on the team if he didn't. So far in this season, he's taking just as many charges in years past. Haven't heard any "real" fans bitching about him.

What is a "real fan"? Fans can't recognize their player's deficiencies? Sorry, Fish can't play anymore. I don't care how many ins and outs he knows, he can teach those from the bench.

The stats don't back up your assertions.

Stats don't reflect defense.

They don't need to... the charges he racks up speak for themselves. If Fisher was getting burnt by everybody, they'd be talking about it on tv when it happens. Not a peep. You're trying to make him seem like some broke down old man, which isn't the case.

Of course they don't talk about it on TV. You rarely hear a player's deficiencies highlighted on TV. That time is reserved for hyping up the guys making the plays.

This is the kind of defense you see from Fisher now. He is just too slow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhsnS-XDVAA

Broke down old man is a very good description.


Yeah, quite the broke down old man, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lde0RIdBY

Indeed...

LMAO!

Trying to pick up tricks from the kids that burn him every night.

Cherry picking vids which can be countered with other non-relevant vids is completely expected. Have fun with that.

Just giving an example of that quality Fish defense you're hyping up. At least he's got those ins and outs down.

No, that's just an example of the kind of thing that happens to everybody in the NBA. Like I said, completely irrelevant.

I showed an example of what young point guards do to him. He can't hang with them. That is obviously an extreme example, but that is what you can expect from Fish on D. He's still a smart player, but he's not athletic enough to provide anything of value.

And again, that's just your opinion.

It must take some pretty strong purple and gold shades to say that Fisher can defend quick young point guards.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 2nd, 2012 09:32 pm

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Headhunter wrote: KennyThaKilla wrote:
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KennyThaKilla wrote:
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Reign in Blood wrote:
I like Fish, he's never been a flashy player or a superstar, and it's true what he does best is in the leader role, the things below the rim. But it is true that he can't keep up with the fiery young point guards anymore. I see the Lakes shipping him off to a non-contender sometime soon, especially since he is the bitching point for most fans.
Has he lost a step? Sure, who wouldn't at 37? Does he make up for it in other areas? Of course... he wouldn't be on the team if he didn't. So far in this season, he's taking just as many charges in years past. Haven't heard any "real" fans bitching about him.

What is a "real fan"? Fans can't recognize their player's deficiencies? Sorry, Fish can't play anymore. I don't care how many ins and outs he knows, he can teach those from the bench.

The stats don't back up your assertions.

Stats don't reflect defense.

They don't need to... the charges he racks up speak for themselves. If Fisher was getting burnt by everybody, they'd be talking about it on tv when it happens. Not a peep. You're trying to make him seem like some broke down old man, which isn't the case.

Of course they don't talk about it on TV. You rarely hear a player's deficiencies highlighted on TV. That time is reserved for hyping up the guys making the plays.

This is the kind of defense you see from Fisher now. He is just too slow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhsnS-XDVAA

Broke down old man is a very good description.


Yeah, quite the broke down old man, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lde0RIdBY

Indeed...

LMAO!

Trying to pick up tricks from the kids that burn him every night.

Cherry picking vids which can be countered with other non-relevant vids is completely expected. Have fun with that.

Just giving an example of that quality Fish defense you're hyping up. At least he's got those ins and outs down.

No, that's just an example of the kind of thing that happens to everybody in the NBA. Like I said, completely irrelevant.

I showed an example of what young point guards do to him. He can't hang with them. That is obviously an extreme example, but that is what you can expect from Fish on D. He's still a smart player, but he's not athletic enough to provide anything of value.

And again, that's just your opinion.

It must take some pretty strong purple and gold shades to say that Fisher can defend quick young point guards.

No, just an objective opinion.



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 Posted: Mon Jan 2nd, 2012 09:32 pm

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Headhunter wrote: KennyThaKilla wrote:
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KennyThaKilla wrote:
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KennyThaKilla wrote:
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I like Fish, he's never been a flashy player or a superstar, and it's true what he does best is in the leader role, the things below the rim. But it is true that he can't keep up with the fiery young point guards anymore. I see the Lakes shipping him off to a non-contender sometime soon, especially since he is the bitching point for most fans.
Has he lost a step? Sure, who wouldn't at 37? Does he make up for it in other areas? Of course... he wouldn't be on the team if he didn't. So far in this season, he's taking just as many charges in years past. Haven't heard any "real" fans bitching about him.

What is a "real fan"? Fans can't recognize their player's deficiencies? Sorry, Fish can't play anymore. I don't care how many ins and outs he knows, he can teach those from the bench.

The stats don't back up your assertions.

Stats don't reflect defense.

They don't need to... the charges he racks up speak for themselves. If Fisher was getting burnt by everybody, they'd be talking about it on tv when it happens. Not a peep. You're trying to make him seem like some broke down old man, which isn't the case.

Of course they don't talk about it on TV. You rarely hear a player's deficiencies highlighted on TV. That time is reserved for hyping up the guys making the plays.

This is the kind of defense you see from Fisher now. He is just too slow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhsnS-XDVAA

Broke down old man is a very good description.


Yeah, quite the broke down old man, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lde0RIdBY

Indeed...

LMAO!

Trying to pick up tricks from the kids that burn him every night.

Cherry picking vids which can be countered with other non-relevant vids is completely expected. Have fun with that.

Just giving an example of that quality Fish defense you're hyping up. At least he's got those ins and outs down.

No, that's just an example of the kind of thing that happens to everybody in the NBA. Like I said, completely irrelevant.

I showed an example of what young point guards do to him. He can't hang with them. That is obviously an extreme example, but that is what you can expect from Fish on D. He's still a smart player, but he's not athletic enough to provide anything of value.

And again, that's just your opinion.

It must take some pretty strong purple and gold shades to say that Fisher can defend quick young point guards.

No, just an objective opinion.

I am a Lakers fan criticizing a Laker legend...yeah, you're the objective one here, without a doubt.

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 Posted: Mon Jan 2nd, 2012 09:34 pm

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I like Fish, he's never been a flashy player or a superstar, and it's true what he does best is in the leader role, the things below the rim. But it is true that he can't keep up with the fiery young point guards anymore. I see the Lakes shipping him off to a non-contender sometime soon, especially since he is the bitching point for most fans.
Has he lost a step? Sure, who wouldn't at 37? Does he make up for it in other areas? Of course... he wouldn't be on the team if he didn't. So far in this season, he's taking just as many charges in years past. Haven't heard any "real" fans bitching about him.

What is a "real fan"? Fans can't recognize their player's deficiencies? Sorry, Fish can't play anymore. I don't care how many ins and outs he knows, he can teach those from the bench.

The stats don't back up your assertions.

Stats don't reflect defense.

They don't need to... the charges he racks up speak for themselves. If Fisher was getting burnt by everybody, they'd be talking about it on tv when it happens. Not a peep. You're trying to make him seem like some broke down old man, which isn't the case.

Of course they don't talk about it on TV. You rarely hear a player's deficiencies highlighted on TV. That time is reserved for hyping up the guys making the plays.

This is the kind of defense you see from Fisher now. He is just too slow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhsnS-XDVAA

Broke down old man is a very good description.


Yeah, quite the broke down old man, lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1lde0RIdBY

Indeed...

LMAO!

Trying to pick up tricks from the kids that burn him every night.

Cherry picking vids which can be countered with other non-relevant vids is completely expected. Have fun with that.

Just giving an example of that quality Fish defense you're hyping up. At least he's got those ins and outs down.

No, that's just an example of the kind of thing that happens to everybody in the NBA. Like I said, completely irrelevant.

I showed an example of what young point guards do to him. He can't hang with them. That is obviously an extreme example, but that is what you can expect from Fish on D. He's still a smart player, but he's not athletic enough to provide anything of value.

And again, that's just your opinion.

It must take some pretty strong purple and gold shades to say that Fisher can defend quick young point guards.

No, just an objective opinion.

I am a Lakers fan criticizing a Laker legend...yeah, you're the objective one here, without a doubt.

Finally! I knew sooner or later you'd come to your senses. :thumb



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How bout that Steve Blake?




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How bout that Steve Blake?


LOL, nice. I hated Blake last year, but he has impressed me this year. I still wouldn't feel comfortable with him starting, I think trading for a point guard still ought to be a priority.

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Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll



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Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll

Blake faced the same screens and was able to hustle back to Paul numerous times. Fisher was completely taken out of the play every time.

Also, there is no montage of Fisher's great D to be found. He got DESTROYED in that series last year. It was embarrassing to watch.

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Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll

I agree about the vids, but given the youtube battle had to share that one, especially given the hoopla around Paul. Could all be moot anyways as didn't Fish say 2011 or 2012 would be his last season anyways?



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Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll

I agree about the vids, but given the youtube battle had to share that one, especially given the hoopla around Paul. Could all be moot anyways as didn't Fish say 2011 or 2012 would be his last season anyways?

That would make one happy Lakers fan.

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How bout that Steve Blake?
Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll

Blake faced the same screens and was able to hustle back to Paul numerous times. Fisher was completely taken out of the play every time.

Also, there is no montage of Fisher's great D to be found. He got DESTROYED in that series last year. It was embarrassing to watch.

We must have watched different videos, I didn't see any "hustling back" that made a difference.

Like I said, you have to be obsessive to post shit like that on youtube in the first place.



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Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll

Blake faced the same screens and was able to hustle back to Paul numerous times. Fisher was completely taken out of the play every time.

Also, there is no montage of Fisher's great D to be found. He got DESTROYED in that series last year. It was embarrassing to watch.

We must have watched different videos, I didn't see any "hustling back" that made a difference.

Like I said, you have to be obsessive to post shit like that on youtube in the first place.

You not liking the video does not render it meaningless. Why do you care if some sports fans are more obsessive than others?

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Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll

I agree about the vids, but given the youtube battle had to share that one, especially given the hoopla around Paul. Could all be moot anyways as didn't Fish say 2011 or 2012 would be his last season anyways?

I agree that he's coming to the end of his career, but am not ready to completely write him off as some people have. He's not quite there yet. If this season or next does prove to be his last, he's had a great run.



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How bout that Steve Blake?
Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll

Blake faced the same screens and was able to hustle back to Paul numerous times. Fisher was completely taken out of the play every time.

Also, there is no montage of Fisher's great D to be found. He got DESTROYED in that series last year. It was embarrassing to watch.

We must have watched different videos, I didn't see any "hustling back" that made a difference.

Like I said, you have to be obsessive to post shit like that on youtube in the first place.

You not liking the video does not render it meaningless. Why do you care if some sports fans are more obsessive than others?

It has nothing to do with not liking it. It doesn't represent the whole story.

Did I say I cared? Nope, sure didn't. They can waste their time if they like... makes no nevermind to me.



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How bout that Steve Blake?
Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll

Blake faced the same screens and was able to hustle back to Paul numerous times. Fisher was completely taken out of the play every time.

Also, there is no montage of Fisher's great D to be found. He got DESTROYED in that series last year. It was embarrassing to watch.

We must have watched different videos, I didn't see any "hustling back" that made a difference.

Like I said, you have to be obsessive to post shit like that on youtube in the first place.

You not liking the video does not render it meaningless. Why do you care if some sports fans are more obsessive than others?

It has nothing to do with not liking it. It doesn't represent the whole story.

Did I say I cared? Nope, sure didn't. They can waste their time if they like... makes no nevermind to me.

You cared enough to bring it up as if it had some sort of relevance.

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How bout that Steve Blake?
Blake's solid, a good 3pt shooter and nice addition overall. Ugly as hell, but a good addition nonetheless.

I'm still going to call bullshit on the cherry picked clips, though. If somebody wanted to be obsessive about it, they could compile a montage of Fisher's great D as well. Most of those shakes were from screens, anyway. :roll

Blake faced the same screens and was able to hustle back to Paul numerous times. Fisher was completely taken out of the play every time.

Also, there is no montage of Fisher's great D to be found. He got DESTROYED in that series last year. It was embarrassing to watch.

We must have watched different videos, I didn't see any "hustling back" that made a difference.

Like I said, you have to be obsessive to post shit like that on youtube in the first place.

You not liking the video does not render it meaningless. Why do you care if some sports fans are more obsessive than others?

It has nothing to do with not liking it. It doesn't represent the whole story.

Did I say I cared? Nope, sure didn't. They can waste their time if they like... makes no nevermind to me.

You cared enough to bring it up as if it had some sort of relevance.

I brought up the fact that you have to be obsessive to make a video like that, doesn't mean I care.



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In the NBA, a key to evaluating a player is in context to his team role and his salary.  Fisher is a very nice value at $3.4 million if he gives you what he gave you last year in terms of efficiency at PG, and gives you 18-20 quality minutes.

He has not been good so far this year, but it is only 6 games into a weird season.  Judge Fisher for what he is at this point, a leader and a role player with a ton of championship experience.  Don't compare him to elite PGs, in their prime, who have huge salary cap numbers.



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He was shit last year and definitely is not capable of giving you 18-20 quality minutes.

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 Posted: Tue Jan 3rd, 2012 01:57 am

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Foo wrote:
In the NBA, a key to evaluating a player is in context to his team role and his salary.  Fisher is a very nice value at $3.4 million if he gives you what he gave you last year in terms of efficiency at PG, and gives you 18-20 quality minutes.

He has not been good so far this year, but it is only 6 games into a weird season.  Judge Fisher for what he is at this point, a leader and a role player with a ton of championship experience.  Don't compare him to elite PGs, in their prime, who have huge salary cap numbers.

Damn, Foo and I agree. :biggrin

Holy shit! Now look what you've done! :omg




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