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zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

I recommend “The Monster Show” by David J. Skal that touches on this covering the past 100 years.

Headhunter wrote:

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

I recommend “The Monster Show” by David J. Skal that touches on this covering the past 100 years.

i'll have to look for that.

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Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:I enjoy when movies didn't shove politics down your throat. It's in video games too.

i've seen plenty of recent movies that don't shove politics down my throat. there is an element of that, sure. but the 80s had a lot of politicking going in the movies, and we all love that decade. *shrug*

Which movies?

do you like rocky 4?

Obv.

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

None of it is forced down your throat. Are you arguing it's not far more prominent today with an "in-your-face" approach?

Horror, overall, is pretty good about not being political. But I guess when it comes down to it, you could find something political in everything.

And it's usually always leftism. :p

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

None of it is forced down your throat. Are you arguing it's not far more prominent today with an "in-your-face" approach?

I would say the biggest difference is you recognizing it. Perhaps you would have made similar arguments in past decades if you’d lived through them.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

None of it is forced down your throat. Are you arguing it's not far more prominent today with an "in-your-face" approach?

it was all over rocky 4. it was all over the exorcist. *shrug* i think we pick up on it and rebel against a certain kind of politics, more, because of the political climate lately, as a whole.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

None of it is forced down your throat. Are you arguing it's not far more prominent today with an "in-your-face" approach?

I would say the biggest difference is you recognizing it. Perhaps you would have made similar arguments in past decades if you’d lived through them.

that too.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

None of it is forced down your throat. Are you arguing it's not far more prominent today with an "in-your-face" approach?

I would say the biggest difference is you recognizing it. Perhaps you would have made similar arguments in past decades if you’d lived through them.

I probably would have. But I am a huge Bond movie fan. I only lived through the last ten movies or so. They kind of maintain the same political climate and I haven't noticed anything very "in-your-face".

On the other side, I watched along as Supernatural progressed. It started getting political around season 7 or so. Then after Trump's election it turned into a political shit show to appease the execs of CW...

Jason wrote:Horror, overall, is pretty good about not being political. But I guess when it comes down to it, you could find something political in everything.

And it's usually always leftism. :p

you don't see the politics as negative or overt, because you're just enjoying the film. awesome. i have that same experience with a lot of film today.

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

None of it is forced down your throat. Are you arguing it's not far more prominent today with an "in-your-face" approach?

it was all over rocky 4. it was all over the exorcist. *shrug* i think we pick up on it and rebel against a certain kind of politics, more, because of the political climate lately, as a whole.

I wouldn't say it was all over The Exorcist, by any stretch. Are you talking about the part where she's acting in that scene as an activist?

Jason wrote:Horror, overall, is pretty good about not being political. But I guess when it comes down to it, you could find something political in everything.

And it's usually always leftism. :p

Outside of “wrap yourself in the flag” patriotism that was a hallmark of the 80s or rugged individualism that isn’t even really political, conservative ideals don’t translate well to film narrative the way liberal ideals do.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

None of it is forced down your throat. Are you arguing it's not far more prominent today with an "in-your-face" approach?

it was all over rocky 4. it was all over the exorcist. *shrug* i think we pick up on it and rebel against a certain kind of politics, more, because of the political climate lately, as a whole.

I wouldn't say it was all over The Exorcist, by any stretch. Are you talking about the part where she's acting in that scene as an activist?

no. the church saved regan, when science couldn't.

Like who wants to see a movie where the emotional crux is the tax rate being too high. Would never make sense.

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:Horror, overall, is pretty good about not being political. But I guess when it comes down to it, you could find something political in everything.

And it's usually always leftism. :p

Outside of “wrap yourself in the flag” patriotism that was a hallmark of the 80s or rugged individualism that isn’t even really political, conservative ideals don’t translate well to film narrative the way liberal ideals do.

People consider The Dark Knighjt trilogy to be considered Conservative.

The problem isn't conservatism translating into film, it's the fact that Hollywood is overrun with anti-conservative ideology.

Headhunter wrote:Like who wants to see a movie where the emotional crux is the tax rate being too high. Would never make sense.

Yeah, we'd all rather watch Jimmy cut his dick off, walk around in a dress and get handshakes from everyone for being brave.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:

Jason wrote:Horror, overall, is pretty good about not being political. But I guess when it comes down to it, you could find something political in everything.

And it's usually always leftism. :p

Outside of “wrap yourself in the flag” patriotism that was a hallmark of the 80s or rugged individualism that isn’t even really political, conservative ideals don’t translate well to film narrative the way liberal ideals do.

People consider The Dark Knighjt trilogy to be considered Conservative.

The problem isn't conservatism translating into film, it's the fact that Hollywood is overrun with anti-conservative ideology.

That’s a reach.

It always has been.

Jason wrote:

Headhunter wrote:Like who wants to see a movie where the emotional crux is the tax rate being too high. Would never make sense.

Yeah, we'd all rather watch Jimmy cut his dick off, walk around in a dress and get handshakes from everyone for being brave.

What movie is that from?

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

None of it is forced down your throat. Are you arguing it's not far more prominent today with an "in-your-face" approach?

it was all over rocky 4. it was all over the exorcist. *shrug* i think we pick up on it and rebel against a certain kind of politics, more, because of the political climate lately, as a whole.

I wouldn't say it was all over The Exorcist, by any stretch. Are you talking about the part where she's acting in that scene as an activist?

no. the church saved regan, when science couldn't.

That isn't political more so than religion vs science. There are tons of deeply religious liberals. That's a different scenario.

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:

Jason wrote:

zombie wrote:this whole discussion is pretty goofy to be had among horror fans... it's always had an element of political or social commentary, as far back as you want to go.

None of it is forced down your throat. Are you arguing it's not far more prominent today with an "in-your-face" approach?

it was all over rocky 4. it was all over the exorcist. *shrug* i think we pick up on it and rebel against a certain kind of politics, more, because of the political climate lately, as a whole.

I wouldn't say it was all over The Exorcist, by any stretch. Are you talking about the part where she's acting in that scene as an activist?

no. the church saved regan, when science couldn't.

That isn't political more so than religion vs science. There are tons of deeply religious liberals. That's a different scenario.

you're the one that's making a distinction between political ideologies. i didn't say it wasn't liberal.